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Probably because they don’t need laws about people, on foot, traveling. It’s part of the constitution that you have freedom for traveling.
They don’t need extra laws to say that yes, you can travel by foot, in a publicly owned space that doesn’t otherwise have laws restricting or prohibiting access to that space, like a military base or something would have…
Operating heavy machinery (automobiles) in the space is generally regulated, by law, and you need a little document to certify that you call legally operate a motor vehicle on public roads, but beyond that, your freedom of movement is otherwise unhindered.
It very quickly becomes a constitutional argument, so even places with laws on the books about jaywalking, have all largely been nullified by freedom of movement enshrined in the constitution; they’re unlawful, and unable to be enforced in any meaningful way.
Long story short: there aren’t anti-jaywalking laws because they don’t require them. Allowing “jaywalking” is a right allowed for by freedom of movement, which is part of the constitution.
This is the weirdest version of the sovereign citizen argument I’ve ever heard.
Freedom of movement is freedom of movement between States.
It has nothing to do with walking in the middle of the road.
even places with laws on the books about jaywalking, have all largely been nullified by freedom of movement enshrined in the constitution.
The point is that these places are mainly in America (and Germany).
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Remember that just because you can, doesn’t mean you should. The laws of physics do not bend to your feelings, keep that in mind when deciding to cross a busy road.
‘Jay’ was, back then, a word that roughly meant ‘fool’ ‘idiot’ ‘knave’ ‘hill billy’ ‘loud mouth’ … something like that.
It literally means ‘idiot walking’ or ‘walking like an idiot’.
They made cars, and decided to tell us we were (and are) all idiots for doing basically the most human thing there is, walking around an environment, as we have been, for literal 10s of thousands of years.
Not only that, but they tried to restrict movement in an open public space. Which is hilariously bad, because you have the right to freedom of travel. There are restriction on travel even in publicly owned spaces, like government buildings and military bases, etc, and even operating heavy machinery (automobiles) on roads, but it’s hard to argue that we should restrict ambulatory movement in an otherwise open public space, and not have it deemed unconstitutional.
It was also a slur against Irish people.
Ah, wonderful, hadn’t heard of that, but that is entirely believable.
America is so inventive!!
You must have removed that stupid law a long time ago right.
Right?
(In France it’s always the motorists fault versus a pedestrian. ALWAYS.).
The city I used to live in years ago had to install blaring pa systems on all of their city busses to announce turn signals. Yes, u would walk through downtown and hear the ripta bus screaming “left turn, left turn” on repeat because so many pedestrians can’t be bothered to look up from their phone and the city busses kept hitting idiots with zero situational awareness to the point people demand the city do something about it. The best part is that didn’t stop people from walking out in front of busses because half the time they have earphones in and can’t get their face out of their reels on their phones. When you are the slow and vulnerable one you really should be watching out for things that can squash you!
It hasn’t been removed, per se, but the definition has changed. It’s not necessarily jaywalking to cross outside of a crosswalk. If you look both ways and only cross when it’s safe, you’re fine. If you walked out directly into oncoming traffic, then you can get a ticket, even tho the law also states pedestrians always have the right of way and cars need to yield to them.
Not surprised at all. I don’t even need to check it out because I know they deliberately inhibited public transportation to increase profits.
Your own source disproves your post title
Wikipedia
While jaywalking is associated with pedestrians today, the earliest references to “jay” behavior in the street were about horse-drawn carriages and automobiles in 1905 Kansas: “jay drivers” who did not drive on the correct side of the street.[1] The term swiftly expanded to pedestrians, and by 1909, The Chanute Daily Tribune warned “The jay walker needs attention as well as the jay driver, and is about as big a nuisance.”
I think you might be misunderstanding. The word jay was first used on drivers driving wrong, but then the usage expanded to pedestrians too to describe people walking wrong.
The quote literally has a newspaper article from 1909 talking about jay walkers. Jaywalking may have been boosted by the auto industry but it wasn’t invented by them.
It was first used on horses horsing wrong dumbass
The USA needs the “Verkehrsberuhigter Bereich or Living Street” traffic rule for city center areas packed with restaurants, pubs, and stores. Better yet, close the street to motor vehicles.
The USA has over 19000 sections of road tagged as Living Street in OpenStreetMap. Greater Seattle
I once got two jaywalking tickets in 5 minutes at 9pm in Seattle. Cop was just a jerk. His car was the only car to be seen.
I crossed after he passed, I was in the fucking crosswalk. And then a block later I crossed during the blinking caution and made it to the other side before it was solid.
I contested it in court but this is before Seattle stopped letting cops abuse the law. The judge couldn’t really do anything and said that if a cop gives you a ticket you’re basically guilty and that’s that.
Thankfully Seattle changed it’s law after getting bad press for one incident when a Japanese girl was visiting to see Ichiro and the Mariners. When the game got out everyone was walking out and a fucking cop singled her out because she left the crosswalk but there was literally 20 other people doing that same thing. It was clearly racist and to try and keep a massive lawsuit from happening they changed the laws of jaywalking. I’m sure the cops still abuse it for minorities or punks walking around in an empty downtown after hours
if a cop gives you a ticket you’re basically guilty and that’s that
Good thing we only let the most upstanding citizens have that kind of authority…
That kind of authority fundamentally should not exist within a just society.
Man, people cannot be trusted to just, “not be dicks”. There are dumb laws but there are also plenty that exist to protect people from assholes and idiots.
“Law” has always meant what those who hold authority over its enforcement says it means. Its origins came from whatever the King decreed, as he was the one who held legal authority at the time.
That system was never intended to do anything other than exert an entity’s will over others via threat of physical violence for disobeying. It was never meant to “uphold justice”, “protect the people”, or whatever moralistic tripe the current ruling class who assumed control of its current manifestation says it means and just because a broken clock is right twice a day doesn’t mean the clock works.
We can have mutually agreed upon rules and regulations but that authority to dictate who must follow it has to come from the bottom up. Those who don’t should not be forced into the arrangement against their will but neither should anyone have to associate with those who decide to not abide by it. Other ways of governing ourselves is possible. We know this because history tells us so, as explained by anthropologist David Graeber in many of his works.
That sounds like some psycho ass soverign citizen type nonsense.
Tell me you’ve never heard of “Anarchism” without telling me.
I “jaywalk” all the time, and so do many others in my town. Thankfully I live in a country where such nonsense does not exist.
Same here. Technically, jaywalking is illegal but the police does not enforce it.
But in case of accident, you might be at fault. In my country, if there’s a crossing within some number of meters, you need to use it. Otherwise, it’s not illegal.
Here it’s always the driver at fault, pedestrians are zero-fault (even if it should be their fault)
As it should be imo.
Well yeah, it’s obvious it should be
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In my country the law is that if there is a crosswalk within a certain distance, 25 meters if I recall, you have to use the crosswalk. Otherwise you are allowed to cross elsewhere after making sure the road is free.
(How do you know how long 25 meters is? Most trams in my city are 35 meters long, so if an entire tram platform is between the nearest crosswalk and you, it’s legal there.)
Thankfully I live in a country where jaywalking is both illegal and law is enforced. Thank God drivers don’t have to deal with the pedestrian BS.
I’m sorry that pedestrians existing hurts your fragile fee-fees. You don’t own the roads here, carbrain.
As the operator of a multi-ton hunk of steel travelling at high speeds, it is your responsibility to watch your surroundings and look for people crossing the road. If that upsets you so much, don’t drive.
My responsibility is to respect the traffic rules. Responsibility of pedestrians is also to respect the traffic rules. I don’t want some retard to walk straight under the car, die, and paralyze the traffic. Nobody wants this. Nobody likes jaywalkers. Not me, not police, not the insurance companies, not people who need to scrape the splatter from the street at the cost of taxpayer money.
Use the fucking crosswalk retard.
You seem unaware that accidents like that are lower in countries that don’t have jaywalking laws. It’s as simple as keeping speed limits in areas where people would do that low enough and also not have cars parked along every fucking street so both the drivers and pedestrians can see.
You’re clearly incredibly brainwashed in only being able to see how it works where you live, and you’re unable to see even the improvements that could be done there without rebuilding everything.
It’s real sad seeing that level of ignorance and idiocy without any self reflection.You seem unaware that accidents like that are lower in countries that don’t have jaywalking laws.
Source or it didn’t happen.
Nice job devolving into calling me a slur, that’ll show me for disagreeing with you! Not. Next time, be a better person, 'kay?
Next time, be a better person, 'kay?
Next time be a better person, follow the law and use the crosswalk.
There’s no laws against not using the crosswalk, as I have previously established. Jaywalking is not a crime in Canada, nor the province I live in. I, and many others in my city cross the road anywhere it’s convenient and drivers are well aware and used to it. Nobody gets hurt as long as you pay attention to and yield to oncoming traffic.
I remember asking a cop in my country if it was okay to “jaywalk”. He looked at me like I was fucking stupid and said no ofcourse not, after which I said “ah okay it’s just that I read that it’s illegal in America”. He responded by saying “well this isn’t America is it”.
Kinda goes to show how america centric the Internet is, and how idiotic some of America’s laws are
It makes no sense what you are writing. Was your intend to say “of course it is (okay to jaywalk)”?
Soo … It’s also illegal in your country if I’m understanding your comment correctly?
To be fair, sometimes my own negligence combined with bad luck almost got me sandwiched…
People would be quite surprised to know how many things like this have happened in the last hundred years from both business and government. If you want an eye opener read Propaganda by Edward Bernays.
The documentary Century of the Self is also educational if you want an overview of Bernays’ life and crimes against humanity. (Adam Curtis is such a good filmmaker.)
Of sauce fame?
Sadly no.
Also the word “accident.” A collision caused by negligence is not an accident.
Driving instructors have been specifically not using the term accident (and calling out students who do use it) for decades where I live.
fun fact : in my industry (firefighting) we have started to move to calling them “mvcs” (mot veh collisions) and not mva (mot veh accidents) for, i assume, that reason. i welcome it!
Would you like to hear how the auto industry destroyed electric trolleys so GM could sell diesel buses?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_conspiracy
Who Framed Roger Rabbit was basically a documentary.
just capitalists doing capitalism. :(
Oddly most other countries have laws which protect people not industry.
French doesnt even have a word for jaywalking.
Citation needed. I’m not 100% sure about written law, but in Germany we learn to look before crossing the street and using a traffic light if one is near.
If a car hits you, as a pedestrian, are you in the wrong?
