Well, other than the fact that he rapidly fled to Russia (with the help of other Russia-tied Wikileaks shill Assange), where he still lives as a citizen today and functions as a propagandist.
Of course, Assange came up with some story about how he was planning on going to Ecuador but got trapped in a Russian airport, despite the fact that Snowden’s passport was revoked when he was in China. But Assange has proven to not be a reliable source of information, and we all know Russia easily could have delivered him to Ecuador if they wanted to.
The information that Snowden exposed was important and true, but that actually doesn’t exclude the possibility that he was acting in the interest of a foreign power.
It is unarguable today that Snowden is currently a mouthpiece of the Russian government, who he is living under the protection of. (For example, he called the imminent invasion of Ukraine by Russia a “disinformation campaign” and has been unwilling to talk about it since then.) Snowden is a Russian agent today. So it’s not entirely unreasonable to suggest that he may have been acting on their behalf before, as well.
He was in Russia when his passport was revoked, not Hong Kong.
Russia held him at the airport transit terminal for 39 days, so your assumption of sending him elsewhere is wrong.
He said that the media had a responsibility to report on facts rather than fearmongering before the invasion. After the invasion he publicly said he was against it.
Edward Snowden’s passport was annulled before he left Hong Kong for Russia and while that could complicate his travel plans, the lack of a passport alone could not thwart his plans, the U.S. official said. If a senior official in another country or with an airline orders it, a country could overlook the withdrawn passport, the official said.
He said that the media had a responsibility to report on facts rather than fearmongering before the invasion. After the invasion he publicly said he was against it.
I need to see a source for this because I cannot find anything about him speaking out publicly against the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
I was wrong on one thing - he was in Hong Kong, yes, but he was already boarding his flight when it was revoked.
On June 14, the U.S. Justice Department filed criminal charges against Snowden in federal district court.3 The following day, the Justice Department formally requested that Hong Kong authorities issue a provisional arrest warrant for Snowden.4 Eight days later, on the very morning—Hong Kong time—that his passport was revoked, Mr. Snowden was able to board a flight to Moscow.
Mr Edward Snowden left Hong Kong today (June 23) on his own accord for a third country through a lawful and normal channel.
The US Government earlier on made a request to the HKSAR Government for the issue of a provisional warrant of arrest against Mr Snowden. Since the documents provided by the US Government did not fully comply with the legal requirements under Hong Kong law, the HKSAR Government has requested the US Government to provide additional information so that the Department of Justice could consider whether the US Government’s request can meet the relevant legal conditions. As the HKSAR Government has yet to have sufficient information to process the request for provisional warrant of arrest, there is no legal basis to restrict Mr Snowden from leaving Hong Kong.
And before people say China collusion, this is 2013, when HK was still autonomous.
he fled to hong kong and was trapped in russia by the us. now being trapped there its possible after all the things he did that make him one of americas top heros. that he could be influenced in his speech and such. that is completely on the us though for trapping him there. It and nicholas are among obamas biggest fuck ups.
Those are all very, very circumstantial. I don’t think it’s weird he’s in s pro Russian stance, because that’s his guardian atm, you don’t bite the hand that feeds you.
Would a president have pardoned him, or at least made promises of not seeking a death sentence in pretty sure he would’ve remained in the united states.
If he was a foreign asset he would’ve not published and tried to remain in place and pass on info from within the NSA. It makes no sense blowing a cover that deep for basically nothing.
Would a president have pardoned him, or at least made promises of not seeking a death sentence in pretty sure he would’ve remained in the united states.
Seems unlikely, considering he had already left the US before any charges were filed.
Assurances were made that he would be given a fair trial under US laws, but I don’t think he was planning to return and face the legal ramifications of his actions. I don’t think he ever intended of returning to the United States.
If he was a foreign asset he would’ve not published and tried to remain in place and pass on info from within the NSA. It makes no sense blowing a cover that deep for basically nothing.
I don’t think that’s necessarily true. You can be an “asset” without being a “spy”, or you can be both. If you are acting in the interests, or on behalf of, a foreign country, then you can be considered a foreign asset.
The open question is whether Snowden’s actions were 100% benevolent and in the interest of the American public, or whether there was some degree to which his motives were in the interest of America’s adversaries. Nobody can really answer that question, can they?
But immediately fleeing into the protection of an American geopolitical adversary like Russia certainly raises questions about his motive that aren’t so easy to dismiss.
Keep in mind, I’m not saying this to undermine the information that he publicly leaked. This is purely a question of motives.
The open question is whether Snowden’s actions were 100% benevolent and in the interest of the American public, or whether there was some degree to which his motives were in the interest of America’s adversaries. Nobody can really answer that question, can they?
Which was my point in the first comment questioning OP to deliver sources of definitive proof.
The only definate thing you can say is: Due to cirumstances he lives in Russia, probably not entirely free of choice, and thus can’t really hold his current breadlord to the same standards he chose to hold the USA to, when he exposed things.
None of us can possibly know for sure. But I suspect Russia discovered a trove of leaky US intelligence info was passing through their country, and they told him to either
A) stay in Russia, tell us what you know, and do what we tell you
Well, other than the fact that he rapidly fled to Russia (with the help of other Russia-tied Wikileaks shill Assange), where he still lives as a citizen today and functions as a propagandist.
Of course, Assange came up with some story about how he was planning on going to Ecuador but got trapped in a Russian airport, despite the fact that Snowden’s passport was revoked when he was in China. But Assange has proven to not be a reliable source of information, and we all know Russia easily could have delivered him to Ecuador if they wanted to.
The information that Snowden exposed was important and true, but that actually doesn’t exclude the possibility that he was acting in the interest of a foreign power.
It is unarguable today that Snowden is currently a mouthpiece of the Russian government, who he is living under the protection of. (For example, he called the imminent invasion of Ukraine by Russia a “disinformation campaign” and has been unwilling to talk about it since then.) Snowden is a Russian agent today. So it’s not entirely unreasonable to suggest that he may have been acting on their behalf before, as well.
Oof lots of misinformation.
He was in Russia when his passport was revoked, not Hong Kong.
Russia held him at the airport transit terminal for 39 days, so your assumption of sending him elsewhere is wrong.
He said that the media had a responsibility to report on facts rather than fearmongering before the invasion. After the invasion he publicly said he was against it.
https://apnews.com/general-news-587786e6e63b4dc2b70c471606d7f584
I need to see a source for this because I cannot find anything about him speaking out publicly against the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
I was wrong on one thing - he was in Hong Kong, yes, but he was already boarding his flight when it was revoked.
https://yalelawjournal.org/essay/citizenship-passports-and-the-legal-identity-of-americans
Here’s the official statement from Hong Kong
https://www.info.gov.hk/gia/general/201306/23/P201306230476.htm
And before people say China collusion, this is 2013, when HK was still autonomous.
False.
At least get the basic facts straight before you ramble about silly comspiracy theories
Snowden arrived in Russia (where he has remained for 13 years) less than 10 days after being charged by US prosecutors.
That’s a fact. And if that ain’t rapid, I don’t know what is…
he fled to hong kong and was trapped in russia by the us. now being trapped there its possible after all the things he did that make him one of americas top heros. that he could be influenced in his speech and such. that is completely on the us though for trapping him there. It and nicholas are among obamas biggest fuck ups.
Those are all very, very circumstantial. I don’t think it’s weird he’s in s pro Russian stance, because that’s his guardian atm, you don’t bite the hand that feeds you.
Would a president have pardoned him, or at least made promises of not seeking a death sentence in pretty sure he would’ve remained in the united states.
If he was a foreign asset he would’ve not published and tried to remain in place and pass on info from within the NSA. It makes no sense blowing a cover that deep for basically nothing.
Seems unlikely, considering he had already left the US before any charges were filed.
Assurances were made that he would be given a fair trial under US laws, but I don’t think he was planning to return and face the legal ramifications of his actions. I don’t think he ever intended of returning to the United States.
I don’t think that’s necessarily true. You can be an “asset” without being a “spy”, or you can be both. If you are acting in the interests, or on behalf of, a foreign country, then you can be considered a foreign asset.
The open question is whether Snowden’s actions were 100% benevolent and in the interest of the American public, or whether there was some degree to which his motives were in the interest of America’s adversaries. Nobody can really answer that question, can they?
But immediately fleeing into the protection of an American geopolitical adversary like Russia certainly raises questions about his motive that aren’t so easy to dismiss.
Keep in mind, I’m not saying this to undermine the information that he publicly leaked. This is purely a question of motives.
Which was my point in the first comment questioning OP to deliver sources of definitive proof.
The only definate thing you can say is: Due to cirumstances he lives in Russia, probably not entirely free of choice, and thus can’t really hold his current breadlord to the same standards he chose to hold the USA to, when he exposed things.
None of us can possibly know for sure. But I suspect Russia discovered a trove of leaky US intelligence info was passing through their country, and they told him to either
A) stay in Russia, tell us what you know, and do what we tell you
or B) be murdered.