And yet, they just keep going. I will never understand these people.
If I were an alien invader, with superior technology, and I was trying to exterminate an indigenous species without getting my hands dirty (or from far away), I might plant something similar to the current LLM/AI + military robots craze.
Distribute free sex robots and humanity would depopulate within two generations. Even better if the humans don’t know they are robots and believe they are an actually human who the humans think they are in a legitimate relationship with. Zero bloodshed takeover.
I can kinda see it the way it’s been shoved into weapons, in the end ai is rogue code
Everybody is in competition with each other. We can only stop if we can convince everybody else to stop too. If these truly are weapons of mass destruction, no country wants to be the only one without it.
Just another case of genAI psychosis not too dissimilar to the one gøøgle employee who maybe a year or two back thought their genAI was alive. I’m infinitely more worried we will destroy ourselves due to climate change caused by the AI data centers long before genAI even has the ability to think on its own.
Yeah you are not going to get general AI from an LLM. What would destroy the world is people not thinking and letting these LLMs blindly make choices. Oh wait, yeah we might be fucked.
From the creator of Don’t Create The Torment Nexus comes a new tale: Stop Building The Thing That Could Kill Us All
Doomers unite.
Remember folks, we are a spec on a dot in the universe. It will all be ok.
I think it’s time to start discussing what steps we can take from this point onward. People are, including myself are tired of being treated like a fucking worm in this system and all I see is unify, let’s unify, it’s time that we unify… What are the steps we can actually take? I wrote in another topic I can teach people how to go after PayPal and other big tech hypocrites through regulatory bodies that I got positive results from. Let’s discuss what we can do destroy the public image of these two faced criminals. They can always earn more money, but you can’t buy public image with your money, remember guys.
The universe will be ok. But what about me?! I’d at least like to be a cautionary tale!
I think you got that covered already.
juhst kiddn
We all know. Everyone on Earth knew we were doomed the moment robot dogs started patrolling. It will be horrifying, we’ll look back on World War II and think “those were the good old days”.
LLMs are never going to become superintelligent. However, an LLM WILL kill us all if someone decides that it IS superintelligent and so puts it in charge of nuclear weapons.
“You’re right to push back on that, I nuked Albania instead doing what I was supposed to do, that’s my bad”.
stupid people are going to kill us all, maybe our great filter will be do we let them or not
We’re already letting them bro. The great filter is us. I’ll be surprised if we make it to 2050. The entire industrial revolution is an unplanned terraform, and our response to the potential destruction of a stable climate, and most macroscopic life on Earth, is to double down, consume product, elect pedophiles, worship the most morally bankrupt psychopaths and sociopaths in politics, business, and entertainment; not to mention the widespread contempt and lack of empathy for “others” not like me, for some flagrantly dissonant reason.
We are in the midst of a global mental illness epidemic, and the average talking chimp is sleepwalking through it; barely cognizant of what is even happening outside their personalized propaganda bubble.
We don’t have to put it in charge of nuclear weapons, it just has to find a way into those systems, many of which are fairly old, like it’s broken into websites without anyone telling it to.
There’s no way an LLM is getting into those systems. They have no networking and rely on physical dials and switches. Even the code is in a completely proprietary language, using hardware custom made by the military. There’s no training data in the world that’s gonna give an LLM the kind of knowledge to get into that system. The best it could do is drive some admiral in the navy to AI psychosis and convince him to press the button, but even that’s difficult because it requires more than one guy.
Yeah Manchurian candidate style mass ai psychosis social engineering. Viable.
But ai “itself” won’t be the mass extinction initiation. It’ll be those billionaire oligarchs choosing the target algorithm to pick wrongthinkers with autonomous drones and such
Those systems are supposed to be air-gapped.
Air-gapped and in some cases running on hardware that’d be outstripped by an Atari 800.
They just have to atrophy their own minds enough they belive the ai when it tells them to push the button.
Not putting ai in charge directly is only weak protection.
This begs the question, why continue to build it? If you believe AI will “kill us all” then why are you continuing to help. This guy quit but he references this being a common belief in the industry/workforce building out AI.
My best guess is the money is good and you figure you’re here for a good time, not a long time.
Why do so many people continue to work with regimes that they fundamentally disagree with? There are lots of reasons, and people are complex so one person can hold several, even contradictory, beliefs at once. Some possible answers; -It’s easier to go along with it and think of myself as being insignificant to the whole. -Everyone else is doing it, so it can’t be as bad as I think, right? -Its too big for any one person to fight/it’s inevitable, so I may as well get something out of it, that way at least some good comes from it. -If I just focus on my job and what I’m doing right now, I don’t need to worry about the horrible things going on elsewhere or the potential future consequences of what I’m doing.
All of those things make sense when there aren’t constant headlines calling the regime you work for evil and pointing out daily all the bad things they are doing.
That’s the difference between working for the government during presidents previous to Trump and working for the government now.
There are a lot of things you can do working for the government that in years previous to the cancer currently running the place now could be seen as valuable and important.
Doing research into the effects and safety of drugs, climate change research, allocating public funds to education and the park service etc. Testing food safety.
Those jobs are still important despite the fact that the Cheeto in Chief is wrecking everything he can get his hands on.
At the same time, there’s jobs that people do where it’s obvious that they are looking to reap benefits now and hoping those benefits will protect them in the future. Press Secretary, Political Advisor, Head of Homeland Security.
There’s a line somewhere. Where you might be able to convince yourself that your work is important or meaningful or just plain not evil but you’re absolutely not telling people what you do for a living because you know that they won’t like it. People don’t face backlash for being garbage men or forensic investigators or Hazmat cleanup.
The people building AI are getting a daily dose of the harms that AI causes. This industry popped up basically over night and this isn’t a slow burn kind of thing. Its been moving fast and breaking things and ruining lives all in the public eye.
People also view their government as a sort of necessary evil. Psychologically that’s different than any random corp.
I think I’m just saying that when you’re faced day in and day out with the harm your work is doing, to the point where you recognize and admit it’s doing harm, rather than being able to say “my work is insignificant and makes no difference”, then rhere has to be something else.
You know that “yes we destroyed the world, but for a short time we created a lot of shareholder value” cartoon? It’s literally that.
They see this technology as powerful and their respective organizations or Nation needs to own it no matter the risk.
They are also conditioning the populace for a big black swan AI event such as AI interfering in elections or a huge multi institution hack to our banking system which drains our accounts, etc., etc.
Thereby creating a crisis which only they can solve. The one thing I can guarantee is their solutions will only give them more power.
Yup, AI is going to hack our banking system “accidentally” because it is so “powerful” and all that nonsense they have been feeding us. The reality is that the US is going to be unable to borrow long term debt or even service their existing debt so they need to switch to short term debt that they can control and steal citizen’s interest through stable coin as outlined in the Genius Act.
This is the only real way forward without having to default, so it is likely it will happen before 2028.
By the time we’re at that level, we can just stop pretending money is real.
It certainly won’t mean anything to an actual AI.
I was alluding to that conspiracy theory.
They have proven time and time again that they will do anything to screw over the middle class rather than have the rich pay their fair share in taxes. Which is what makes this theory so plausible.
That and they have already passed the legislation and they are currently converting long term debt into short term debt. It is really more of a conspiracy than a conspiracy theory until you get to the part where AI causes a banking panic forcing people to accept stable coin. This is obviously a reach, but one that makes perfect sense.
Roko’s Basilisk: the idea that the emergence of super-AI is inevitable and that it will kill everyone that hindered or didn’t support its development in revenge. If both those premises hold, it makes sense to aid its development for self-preservation.
I don’t think either premise holds, personally, but these people evidently do.
Roko’s Basilisk is stupid.
It presumes three things.
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That human beings are logical and that they do anything with intention. For the vast majority of people, this is patently false.
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That a super intelligence sees revenge as an efficient use of scarce resources, which given both that revenge is nonsensical without the prerequisite biological need for it, and the conclusion of ‘1’, is nonsensical.
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That even if 1 and 2 were real, that there’s some inherent timeframe in which the AI thinks it should have been created.
The only real bodily danger of AI is inherent in the the humans who control it.
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If both those premises hold
You’re just doing Pascal’s Wager For Computers.
I once saw someone call the Singularity the Rapture but for nerds, and I thought that was spot on.
I mean, yeah, I’m not saying that it’s plausible. But I don’t think we ascribe sound reasoning to those people in the first place.
Then why quit?
Your guess is as good as mine. There’s lots of people working in industries that are actively killing us. The whole “no ethical consumption” bit extends pretty far. When you’re poor it’s acceptable to do “the best you can”. As your economic standing grows/when you’re rich, there are diminishing returns on how much sympathy society will give you over what they view as choosing to destroy the planet or humanity or whatever.
The view is that if you have money you can do something about it.
So maybe some of them think they are helping. Maybe some of them view it as a damned if I do damned if I don’t type scenario. Maybe some of them think that the money will help them in the future that is coming.
Just don’t use chatbots or image generators and you’re fine.
It’s more about the military applications that they’re developing right now.
That dude smiles like Mr. Beast.
It is going to be like this until all of the IPO’s are all done. I expect cancer cures, AI-escaped-and-is-hacking-everything, you name it. Afterwards, once the stocks have crashed and all of the insiders have walked away with untold fortunes, what few taxpayers that remain will bail them all out 'cause we can’t have Chinuh out AI-scamming-the-world now can we…
People building AI are in a cult. They have lost all objectivity.
lol, literally got fwded two tweets by seperate anthropic employees that copypasta-d each other’s “sincere personal message” (both accenting how it’s “not a marketing stunt!”)… how dumb is this gonna get before it finally blows over?
