I honestly don’t see why any of this should stop someone from using the software.
It’s open source. If you don’t like DHH, his politics, or the people funding Omarchy, then don’t give them money. Don’t donate, don’t sponsor them, don’t contribute upstream.
But the code is out there under the MIT license. Anyone can use it, change it, remove whatever they don’t like, or fork the whole thing.
Using a piece of open-source software doesn’t mean you endorse the politics of whoever wrote it. If that were the standard, we’d probably have to audit the personal beliefs of thousands of developers before installing anything.
And if people really think Omarchy has become some political project, then fork it. Change the branding, change the maintainers, change whatever you want. That’s literally one of the reasons open source is useful.
Boycotting companies you don’t want to financially support is one thing. Treating open-source code itself as politically contaminated is another, and I don’t think that makes much sense.
Golly gee, there just aren’t enough Linux distros to choose from. I just have to go with the one by the worst people imaginable. What other choice do I have?
I use Fedora. I obviously don’t “have to” use Omarchy.
But the existence of alternatives has nothing to do with whether using a piece of software means endorsing its author. Otherwise software selection just becomes an ideological loyalty test.
Using it increases the adoption numbers which can lead to more adoption, and therefore funding. It’s indirect, but it still shows support for the author.
To me, DHH being a toolshed isn’t even the worst part of an LLM coded slop “distro” that recently had a significant RCE vulnerability that required the bare minimum to exploit. Every OS / distro also has vulnerabilities pop up, but that’s a known issue with slop code. DHH being a racist cunt is just the cherry on top.
Hey everyone I hurt this snowflakes feelings, he messaged me to whine and cry. If zombies were real and ate brains, you’d have nothing to worry about shit stain. Ps I’ve sat all my time! Do you Nazis, think you’d be able to sit when everything is said and done and it’s time to pay the piper? I bet you’d be one of the first runnin to Mexico right about then. Ps ur MA’s a whore and best part of you ran down her leg
JavaScript is not a standalone product produced by a single company who’s leader is blogging about how “foreign vagrants should be sent back to where they came from”, my use of a web browser does not directly enrich Brendan Eich.
Your points are correct. If they were about an irreplaceable library where there were only one or two options then yeah that’d be fine.
But there aren’t. This is a Linux “distro” with a thousand other options. It’s literally just a Linux distro with a few dot files added. There’s zero reason to ever use this distro.
Whether there are two alternatives or two thousand doesn’t change what using the software means. If someone prefers Omarchy’s defaults, setup or workflow, that’s enough of a reason to use it.
And if it’s really “just Linux with a few dotfiles added”, that makes the idea that using it is some meaningful political endorsement even harder to take seriously.
If someone prefers Omarchy’s defaults, setup or workflow, that’s enough of a reason to use it.
And if I find out they’re a Nazi, that’s enough reason not to. And in this case there’s so little friction and it’s so simple to not use it, that it’s a no brainer.
If I can avoid supporting a Nazi this easily, without altering a single noticeable thing about my life, it would be irresponsible not to.
Do you understand now?
There is a level of friction associated with changing anything like this for ideological reasons, and everyone has to have their own ways of deciding which ones are worth pushing against, according to them.
“Avoid the Nazi that puts out a slightly modified version of Arch,” is just a no brainer. It takes no effort or energy whatsoever to avoid having that in your life.
Let’s say I cloned arch, changed the default wallpaper to a swastika, put up a blogpost saying “Heil hitler”, and then suddenly got over 50X donations than an actually useful and different OS.
Since last year, Linux mint got $280k donations. Omarchy in the last few months got 15 MILLION. Linux mint maintains 2 distros, and 1 desktop environment, and is basically the gold standard for newbie friendly distros. Omarchy is a few dotfiles and a pile of nazis.
Let’s say I cloned arch, changed the default wallpaper to a swastika, put up a blogpost saying “Heil hitler”, and then suddenly got over 50X donations than an actually useful and different OS.
And this fascinating thought experiment relates to Omarchy how?
Someone in the hyprland discord kept getting misgendered so they put their pronouns in their profile. At some point a mod then changed them to who/cares.
When this came to Vaxry’s attention he said something to the affect of “I don’t care, sort it out yourselves”.
Someone from redhat then either complained or was a member of the freedesktop CoC and he got banned.
Now freedesktop is in an awkward position of one of the biggest wayland DE’s no longer being allowed to contribute to the Wayland spec.
Ah, that’s not good at all. I did read in the article or webpage or whatwver that hyprland was “banned for allowing transphobia” or something along those lines after writing the comment. Thanks for the extra context tho!
Do you think just ignoring a festering fascist presence that is getting tons of funding in a community that regularly has money problems will lead to it just going away?
No see they want us to like it and get on board with it because they’re trying to design society in their minds like they design a C++ object; everything must follow the correct interfaces, getters and setters must be privatized, and if any management mistakes are made then processes must be killed.
Voicing again my agreement, all of this energy going against DHH could be put into a fork and that would be way more powerful and effective of a move.
It’s got kind of a tai chi element - move in the direction of the vector don’t try to go against it. It’s popular for a reason, and you don’t have to throw the baby out with the bath water. There are many things today that you could hyperfocus on the evil aspect of that people still use in their daily lives because it brings them utility.
I used Omarchy and it inspired me to make a NixOS version of it that I called Omnixient :) Thanks to the open-source nature I now have my own awesome config that has brought me a lot of fulfillment and productivity I did not have before.
A fork of what? We already have countless forks of Arch. My understanding is that this one itself doesn’t even change enough to meet the definition of “fork”.
Again the software and its functionality are not the problem, I just don’t want to support a jackass and his shit takes about dehumanizing people and passing the buck on problems society created.
While he takes on million of dollars for a project that is not an innovator in the space.
but I’m honestly curious, what is this movement against him going to accomplish? I do not know this DHH character nor do I care to listen to anything he says. If he’s as bad as all of these accusations make him out to be then he’s someone who’s just going to write off all of this and/or it’ll fuel him.
I’m genuinely curious, what is the real value or impact of this crusade versus putting that energy toward something constructive? While everyone here is writing about fascism, him and capitalism will keep developing.
It’s just all sounds like terribly futile tactics…
I had originally linked it, but damn! to be honest i want to have nothing to do with whatever is going on here and I’m just going to keep building stuff toward open-source decentralized future using whatever tools I have at my disposal to close the distance. I’m no trained software developer (learned C++ and python from mech engineering & physics) that can reliably maintain a repo people might depend on and this just seems like people flinging shit around. Noooo thank you
but I’m honestly curious, what is this movement against him going to accomplish? I do not know this DHH character nor do I care to listen to anything he says. If he’s as bad as all of these accusations make him out to be then he’s someone who’s just going to write off all of this and/or it’ll fuel him. I’m genuinely curious, what is the real value or impact of this crusade versus putting that energy toward something constructive? While everyone here is writing about fascism, him and capitalism will keep developing. It’s just all sounds like terribly futile tactics…
I honestly don’t see why any of this should stop someone from using the software.
It’s open source. If you don’t like DHH, his politics, or the people funding Omarchy, then don’t give them money. Don’t donate, don’t sponsor them, don’t contribute upstream.
But the code is out there under the MIT license. Anyone can use it, change it, remove whatever they don’t like, or fork the whole thing.
Using a piece of open-source software doesn’t mean you endorse the politics of whoever wrote it. If that were the standard, we’d probably have to audit the personal beliefs of thousands of developers before installing anything.
And if people really think Omarchy has become some political project, then fork it. Change the branding, change the maintainers, change whatever you want. That’s literally one of the reasons open source is useful.
Boycotting companies you don’t want to financially support is one thing. Treating open-source code itself as politically contaminated is another, and I don’t think that makes much sense.
There’s literally nothing to fork. From what I understand, it in and of itself, isn’t even distinct enough from Arch to be considered a fork.
And how about we stop discouraging people from standing by their values?
To me it’s more that a tolerant society should not tolerate people or projects that have this kind of intolerance to others.
Because, if we do, we lose our democracy.
Golly gee, there just aren’t enough Linux distros to choose from. I just have to go with the one by the worst people imaginable. What other choice do I have?
I use Fedora. I obviously don’t “have to” use Omarchy.
But the existence of alternatives has nothing to do with whether using a piece of software means endorsing its author. Otherwise software selection just becomes an ideological loyalty test.
Using it increases the adoption numbers which can lead to more adoption, and therefore funding. It’s indirect, but it still shows support for the author.
To me, DHH being a toolshed isn’t even the worst part of an LLM coded slop “distro” that recently had a significant RCE vulnerability that required the bare minimum to exploit. Every OS / distro also has vulnerabilities pop up, but that’s a known issue with slop code. DHH being a racist cunt is just the cherry on top.
It’s the same as hanging up a picture painted by Hitler.
You just don’t unless you are a Nazi.
That’s just guilt by association with a Hitler comparison thrown in.
Brendan Eich created JavaScript and donated to the campaign against same-sex marriage in California. Does using JavaScript mean you endorse that too?
Of course not. Using someone’s work isn’t an endorsement of their politics.
Found the bootlicking nazi everybody
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Lol go suck a dick Chud.
Wow great comeback! man I wish I was an unoriginal dipshit
Hey everyone I hurt this snowflakes feelings, he messaged me to whine and cry. If zombies were real and ate brains, you’d have nothing to worry about shit stain. Ps I’ve sat all my time! Do you Nazis, think you’d be able to sit when everything is said and done and it’s time to pay the piper? I bet you’d be one of the first runnin to Mexico right about then. Ps ur MA’s a whore and best part of you ran down her leg
JavaScript is not a standalone product produced by a single company who’s leader is blogging about how “foreign vagrants should be sent back to where they came from”, my use of a web browser does not directly enrich Brendan Eich.
Your points are correct. If they were about an irreplaceable library where there were only one or two options then yeah that’d be fine.
But there aren’t. This is a Linux “distro” with a thousand other options. It’s literally just a Linux distro with a few dot files added. There’s zero reason to ever use this distro.
That still doesn’t really address my point.
Whether there are two alternatives or two thousand doesn’t change what using the software means. If someone prefers Omarchy’s defaults, setup or workflow, that’s enough of a reason to use it.
And if it’s really “just Linux with a few dotfiles added”, that makes the idea that using it is some meaningful political endorsement even harder to take seriously.
And if I find out they’re a Nazi, that’s enough reason not to. And in this case there’s so little friction and it’s so simple to not use it, that it’s a no brainer.
If I can avoid supporting a Nazi this easily, without altering a single noticeable thing about my life, it would be irresponsible not to.
Do you understand now?
There is a level of friction associated with changing anything like this for ideological reasons, and everyone has to have their own ways of deciding which ones are worth pushing against, according to them.
“Avoid the Nazi that puts out a slightly modified version of Arch,” is just a no brainer. It takes no effort or energy whatsoever to avoid having that in your life.
To frame it better:
Let’s say I cloned arch, changed the default wallpaper to a swastika, put up a blogpost saying “Heil hitler”, and then suddenly got over 50X donations than an actually useful and different OS.
Since last year, Linux mint got $280k donations. Omarchy in the last few months got 15 MILLION. Linux mint maintains 2 distros, and 1 desktop environment, and is basically the gold standard for newbie friendly distros. Omarchy is a few dotfiles and a pile of nazis.
And this fascinating thought experiment relates to Omarchy how?
Did you try reading the remainder of the comment?
Maybe try that before replying next time.
It relates because you didn’t read anything in the thread and are a bad actor.
Don’t forget Hyprland which is apparently even more problematic
hyprland is problematic?
From what I remember;
Someone in the hyprland discord kept getting misgendered so they put their pronouns in their profile. At some point a mod then changed them to who/cares.
When this came to Vaxry’s attention he said something to the affect of “I don’t care, sort it out yourselves”.
Someone from redhat then either complained or was a member of the freedesktop CoC and he got banned.
Now freedesktop is in an awkward position of one of the biggest wayland DE’s no longer being allowed to contribute to the Wayland spec.
Ah, that’s not good at all. I did read in the article or webpage or whatwver that hyprland was “banned for allowing transphobia” or something along those lines after writing the comment. Thanks for the extra context tho!
Do you think just ignoring a festering fascist presence that is getting tons of funding in a community that regularly has money problems will lead to it just going away?
No see they want us to like it and get on board with it because they’re trying to design society in their minds like they design a C++ object; everything must follow the correct interfaces, getters and setters must be privatized, and if any management mistakes are made then processes must be killed.
Im not on board though; no war but class war.
The bigger the userbase, the easier time DHH has getting new funding.
Found a fucking Nazi sympathizer aka Nazi.
Using it gives it legitimacy.
You got it!
It is a bit worrying and reminiscent of an old Microsoft strategy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace%2C_extend%2C_and_extinguish
Voicing again my agreement, all of this energy going against DHH could be put into a fork and that would be way more powerful and effective of a move.
It’s got kind of a tai chi element - move in the direction of the vector don’t try to go against it. It’s popular for a reason, and you don’t have to throw the baby out with the bath water. There are many things today that you could hyperfocus on the evil aspect of that people still use in their daily lives because it brings them utility.
I used Omarchy and it inspired me to make a NixOS version of it that I called Omnixient :) Thanks to the open-source nature I now have my own awesome config that has brought me a lot of fulfillment and productivity I did not have before.
A fork of what? We already have countless forks of Arch. My understanding is that this one itself doesn’t even change enough to meet the definition of “fork”.
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Publish it.
Again the software and its functionality are not the problem, I just don’t want to support a jackass and his shit takes about dehumanizing people and passing the buck on problems society created.
While he takes on million of dollars for a project that is not an innovator in the space.
but I’m honestly curious, what is this movement against him going to accomplish? I do not know this DHH character nor do I care to listen to anything he says. If he’s as bad as all of these accusations make him out to be then he’s someone who’s just going to write off all of this and/or it’ll fuel him.
I’m genuinely curious, what is the real value or impact of this crusade versus putting that energy toward something constructive? While everyone here is writing about fascism, him and capitalism will keep developing.
It’s just all sounds like terribly futile tactics…
I had originally linked it, but damn! to be honest i want to have nothing to do with whatever is going on here and I’m just going to keep building stuff toward open-source decentralized future using whatever tools I have at my disposal to close the distance. I’m no trained software developer (learned C++ and python from mech engineering & physics) that can reliably maintain a repo people might depend on and this just seems like people flinging shit around. Noooo thank you
More awareness could mean less money going directly to Nazis
but I’m honestly curious, what is this movement against him going to accomplish? I do not know this DHH character nor do I care to listen to anything he says. If he’s as bad as all of these accusations make him out to be then he’s someone who’s just going to write off all of this and/or it’ll fuel him. I’m genuinely curious, what is the real value or impact of this crusade versus putting that energy toward something constructive? While everyone here is writing about fascism, him and capitalism will keep developing. It’s just all sounds like terribly futile tactics…