I bet the lazy fucker likes to go on vacation with his kids from time to time. Imagine complaining not to be able to afford a house while basking at the beach every summer.
This has me torn. On the one hand 8k a year just to have a vacation sounds a lot. On the other hand, should we really be accepting concessions on our lives when we know the main reason we need to do monetary concessions is because the fruits of our labor get siphoned from us?
Maybe I’m just too poor to comprehend that 8k vacations should be the norm. Or maybe 8k is too much.
So you read my comment and thought it would be good advice to tell me to do the very thing that siphons money away from the workers?
I don’t want to build wealth, I want to live a fulfilling life and I want everyone else to live a fulfilling life. My fulfillment shouldn’t come at the expense of others.
yeah, dude keep refusing to help yourself and then wonder why in 10 years you’re still struggling…
newsflash, you can’t built a fulfilling life without wealth. and you can’t build other people’s lives for them.
and guess what, your very existence comes at the expense of ever blade of grass you’ve stepped on, every chicken you ate, and etc. that’s what life itself is. your little philosophy here basically concludes with ‘kill yourself’ but that too… will come at the expense of others.
but sure, sit around and don’t invest and daydream for the next decade and in 10 years you will still have nothing.
because you can’t afford both. you have to choose your priorities. you can choose to vacation, or save for a home.
but we live in an economy where a lot of people are choose to vacation and then sit around being bitter they can’t afford a home that they want when they spend all that money on something else.
oh, and further, they also don’t support new construction because they think new construction is bad and drives prices up and if they can’t have that new home nobody else should… which further restricts housing supply and drives up prices.
the point is humans are stupid and make bad choices, both short term, and long term, and they refuse to make better choices that would improve their lives because emotional gratification in the here and now is always more important to them.
FWIW, I grew up in a family who never took vacations but we were able to own a home, though it was rural and my dad commuted 3-4 hours a day to his job. If I point this out to people today, they basically lose their shit and say they’d rather never own a home if it meant they had to stop going on vacations multiple times per year, let alone live so far away from their job to find affordable housing.
In the 80’s, a man could afford to raise a secret second family on his factory job while both of his wives stayed home raising 2.5 kids. Humanity has become waaaaay more productive since that time, yet dual income households can barely raise one child, if they are lucky. It’s not that people have become lazier or anything; we’re making more but recieving less for our labor. The people in charge have been siphoning more and more of the wealth we create while telling us the reason we can’t afford nice things is because of bad decisions we make. Places like Walmart claim prices go up because of inventory theft, yet they keep hitting record breaking profits because the wage theft they engage in brings in way more money than they lose from inventory theft. It sure seems like these fat cats are forcing us to pay for their immoral decisions at the cost of us being able to afford nice things.
My point is that you make it seem like being unable to afford nice things is mostly a result of personal choices. In reality, the reason people struggle to afford nice things is because rich people are picking our pockets. The solution here is not to join the ranks of the fat cats, but instead to stop the absurd levels of thievery they are doing. This is not a personal problem that can be solved with personal responsibility, but a systemic problem that requires a systemic solution.
If you need an easily comparable situation, I think it is important for people to recycle and limit their waste production. No matter how conscientious I am, Elon Musk is going to overpollute our planet on the scale of a small country with the broad approval of our government. This is also a problem that requires a systemic solution because Elon Musk is only capable of creating so much pollution since he is supported by the systems our government runs on.
You don’t get to pick the circumstances of your birth, but you can decide if you want to make the choices to overcome them.
It doesn’t guarantee you will, but if you systematically never attempt it, you definitely won’t. And the issue with so many folks is they totally refuse to try. especially middle class white people.
Go talk to some fresh off the boat immigrant and ask them if they feel like life in american is pointless and hopeless and they will never improve their lot in life… oh right, you won’t because they came here precisely to do that and a large chunk of them see huge improvements in their quality of life and often change children that are very successful because those children inherent their attitude and work ethic.
It has nothing to do with the existence of elon musk or climate change. Those are just excuses you use to justify your lack of drive. Which is fine, but you’re making your own bed. Being angry that Musk was born with millions and turned them into billions isn’t every going to do anything positive in your own life.
The solution is to get off your ass, improve your life, and get involved politically to push forward your political goals. But people dont’ want to do that, especially on here. They want to sit around and complain about how everything is hopeless and awful and there is no point in ever trying because they have tried so hard and they aren’t rich and it’s not fair :(
I mean fine man, you want to whine about Elon go right ahead. Nobody is stopping you from doing that, but you using him as justification why you should also be a shitty person, is well, what shitty people do. Shitty people blame everyone else other than themselves, and usually pick a abstract scape goat to blame all their problems on. As if Elon dying tomorrow would do anything to change your personal life…
How tf you don’t have a house if you didn’t get avocado toast?
I bet the lazy fucker likes to go on vacation with his kids from time to time. Imagine complaining not to be able to afford a house while basking at the beach every summer.
my brother just took his family on week beach vacation, it cost them about $8,000. How much avocado toast is that?
if you dont’ take beach vacations for 5 years, that’s about 40K, which is enough for a down payment on a house.
Why not both? It’s too much to ask?
This has me torn. On the one hand 8k a year just to have a vacation sounds a lot. On the other hand, should we really be accepting concessions on our lives when we know the main reason we need to do monetary concessions is because the fruits of our labor get siphoned from us?
Maybe I’m just too poor to comprehend that 8k vacations should be the norm. Or maybe 8k is too much.
you should buy stock and not go on vacation and then in 10 years you can go on all the vacations you want.
delayed gratification is a hell of a way to build wealth.
So you read my comment and thought it would be good advice to tell me to do the very thing that siphons money away from the workers?
I don’t want to build wealth, I want to live a fulfilling life and I want everyone else to live a fulfilling life. My fulfillment shouldn’t come at the expense of others.
yeah, dude keep refusing to help yourself and then wonder why in 10 years you’re still struggling…
newsflash, you can’t built a fulfilling life without wealth. and you can’t build other people’s lives for them.
and guess what, your very existence comes at the expense of ever blade of grass you’ve stepped on, every chicken you ate, and etc. that’s what life itself is. your little philosophy here basically concludes with ‘kill yourself’ but that too… will come at the expense of others.
but sure, sit around and don’t invest and daydream for the next decade and in 10 years you will still have nothing.
I’d rather struggle and have empathy for my fellow worker than be like you who thinks we should be ripping off the poor people.
because you can’t afford both. you have to choose your priorities. you can choose to vacation, or save for a home.
but we live in an economy where a lot of people are choose to vacation and then sit around being bitter they can’t afford a home that they want when they spend all that money on something else.
oh, and further, they also don’t support new construction because they think new construction is bad and drives prices up and if they can’t have that new home nobody else should… which further restricts housing supply and drives up prices.
the point is humans are stupid and make bad choices, both short term, and long term, and they refuse to make better choices that would improve their lives because emotional gratification in the here and now is always more important to them.
FWIW, I grew up in a family who never took vacations but we were able to own a home, though it was rural and my dad commuted 3-4 hours a day to his job. If I point this out to people today, they basically lose their shit and say they’d rather never own a home if it meant they had to stop going on vacations multiple times per year, let alone live so far away from their job to find affordable housing.
In the 80’s, a man could afford to raise a secret second family on his factory job while both of his wives stayed home raising 2.5 kids. Humanity has become waaaaay more productive since that time, yet dual income households can barely raise one child, if they are lucky. It’s not that people have become lazier or anything; we’re making more but recieving less for our labor. The people in charge have been siphoning more and more of the wealth we create while telling us the reason we can’t afford nice things is because of bad decisions we make. Places like Walmart claim prices go up because of inventory theft, yet they keep hitting record breaking profits because the wage theft they engage in brings in way more money than they lose from inventory theft. It sure seems like these fat cats are forcing us to pay for their immoral decisions at the cost of us being able to afford nice things.
Yeah, and you’d do the same thing if you were one of the fat cats.
People don’t go into corporate management to become altruists, they go into it to get rich and fuck the other guy over.
My point is that you make it seem like being unable to afford nice things is mostly a result of personal choices. In reality, the reason people struggle to afford nice things is because rich people are picking our pockets. The solution here is not to join the ranks of the fat cats, but instead to stop the absurd levels of thievery they are doing. This is not a personal problem that can be solved with personal responsibility, but a systemic problem that requires a systemic solution.
If you need an easily comparable situation, I think it is important for people to recycle and limit their waste production. No matter how conscientious I am, Elon Musk is going to overpollute our planet on the scale of a small country with the broad approval of our government. This is also a problem that requires a systemic solution because Elon Musk is only capable of creating so much pollution since he is supported by the systems our government runs on.
because ultimately, it is.
You don’t get to pick the circumstances of your birth, but you can decide if you want to make the choices to overcome them.
It doesn’t guarantee you will, but if you systematically never attempt it, you definitely won’t. And the issue with so many folks is they totally refuse to try. especially middle class white people.
Go talk to some fresh off the boat immigrant and ask them if they feel like life in american is pointless and hopeless and they will never improve their lot in life… oh right, you won’t because they came here precisely to do that and a large chunk of them see huge improvements in their quality of life and often change children that are very successful because those children inherent their attitude and work ethic.
It has nothing to do with the existence of elon musk or climate change. Those are just excuses you use to justify your lack of drive. Which is fine, but you’re making your own bed. Being angry that Musk was born with millions and turned them into billions isn’t every going to do anything positive in your own life.
The solution is to get off your ass, improve your life, and get involved politically to push forward your political goals. But people dont’ want to do that, especially on here. They want to sit around and complain about how everything is hopeless and awful and there is no point in ever trying because they have tried so hard and they aren’t rich and it’s not fair :(
I mean fine man, you want to whine about Elon go right ahead. Nobody is stopping you from doing that, but you using him as justification why you should also be a shitty person, is well, what shitty people do. Shitty people blame everyone else other than themselves, and usually pick a abstract scape goat to blame all their problems on. As if Elon dying tomorrow would do anything to change your personal life…
Usually because the house deposit required goes up a lot faster then the amount you saved.
housing market used to go down. back in ye olden days housing prices largely went up and down as part of the business cycle.
but it’s not allowed to do that anymore. now we inflate everything and pretend the economy is growing because stocks are going up.