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Jesus, who claimed to be God, died by Crucifixion.

We have some historical evidence suggesting this, sure.

The disciples had experiences that they believed were appearances of a risen Jesus.

But we have no way of confirming what those experiences actually were, or if they even happened.

They were even willing to die for their first-hand claims

Again, do you believe in allah? People regularly die for their belief in him, often taking others with them.

This is not evidence that their beliefs are true. This is evidence that their (and your) beliefs are deadly.

Resurrection was proclaimed very early (immediately after the cross).

By who? And again, how do we know it happened? Proclaiming something does not make it true.

James, Brother of Jesus, became a Christian.

Apostle Paul, used to be a persecutor of Christians, also believed.

They were tricked like the other disciples. Why is that less likely to you than a magic god man rising from the dead?

There isn’t. Mohammed is a proven liar.

So is Jesus. His prophecies did not come true.

The Qur’an claims that the Bible is the word of God, yet explicitly contradicts it, such as claiming Jesus wasn’t God nor The Son of God, nor was He crucified. Muslims claim that the Bible has been corrupted, but the Qur’an claims that the word of God cannot be changed, and also refers to the Bible in present tense. We know for a fact that the Bible we have now is exactly the same as what they had in 7th century Arabia. Hence, Islam is false. This is known as the Islamic Dilemma.

By that same logic, christianity is also false. The christian bible contradicts itself many times despite claiming to be the word of god. It literally cannot all be true. It can all be false.

Doesn’t really matter.

Bullshit.

Denominations agree on 95% of things.

Mkay. Citation needed, firstly, but even if the difference is as low as 5%, that could include anything. Homophobia? Misogyny? Slavery? Oops, you allied yourself with people who believe god wants you dead. Do you let them kill you, just in case they’ve got it right?

Christians love each other regardless of denomination.

Bullshit. Would you like some examples of christians calling each other sinners, heretics, etc based on arbitrary nonsense? There are many.

It’s people who don’t truly believe what Jesus taught us

What did he truly teach us? The bible contradicts itself. “Tell lies to suit yourself”? No thanks, that’s suicidally stupid.

care more about power that really care about denominations.

But the denominations each think they are true and inevitably vie for power.

I have never actually met a Christian pastor who wanted me to change denomination.

You haven’t looked very hard. Do you know what an evangelical is?

My Church invites preachers from different denominations. My family is divided among Christian denominations as well. We have zero issues with each other apart from some recreational debates which we both know won’t change each others minds, but it’s just a fun activity to open up scripture and present our points for why we believe in a certain minor thing and why.

Proving my point: religion encourages division and there is no unifying standard, even in your own church, even in your own family.

There’s a strawman where people think “they believe if they’re not in the same denomination they’re not going to heaven” it simply isn’t true.

It is true, depending on the denomination.

You somehow are still not realizing that you already wrote a blank check. There is no walking it back now. If someone reads the bible and interprets their own denomination as the only valid one (like the bullshit jesus spewed), they will believe you are not going to heaven unless you think like them.

I truly believe that all of my Christian Brethren will be in heaven, whether they are Papist, Eastern, Anglican, Lutheran, Baptist, Presbyterian, Pentecostal, etc. One of us is probably more right than the other, but we’d just laugh about it.

But you have no idea whether you’re right. If you get to heaven and it’s only your denomination specifically, will you still be laughing while everyone else suffers in hell? Or will you be too busy enjoying your rewards to even spare a thought for all the people you failed to save?

At the same time, Atheism isn’t completely coherent either.

It is. It is lack of belief in a god. Given that there is no evidence for any god, atheism makes the most sense.

It’s split between Anti theism, Agnostic Atheism, Agnosticism, and plain old “I believe God doesn’t exist” which I’ll just call pure Atheism.

You’re making shit up.

Atheism is lack of belief in god. Most atheists admit to being agnostic atheists because there is no way for a person to prove a negative.

I am anti-theist because I see that liars like yourself are getting people killed for nothing. But you don’t care, you think they deserve it. You lie that your choices are not causing pain, but they are, and for no special gain.

Everything good found in religion is even better outside of it.

There’s also Humanism which believes in morality

Most atheists also believe in morality, unless they’re as suicidally stupid as yourself. I made a video months ago about it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfgXj_V33Pw

Empathy is reasonable. That’s why I’d like you to stop killing innocent people.

a moreso form of Nihilism which doesn’t (forgive me if I am not up to scratch with the terminology here, but my point still stands).

Atheism itself is unrelated to nihilism and morality. But the less magical thinking a person engages in, the easier it is to hold them accountable.

You refuse to stop being a death cultist because you think a wizard is telling you how to live and you’re not allowed to question him even though there is no reason to believe he even exists.

That is psychotic.

Fuck you for choosing death.

You have not remotely demonstrated that god exists. Do you understand my points?

Jesus of Nazareth is God

Demonstrate that god exists.

Then demonstrate that Jesus is god.

You can’t? THEN STOP FUCKING LYING.

The problem of evil disproves any god that is both loving and powerful.

Do you realize there is exactly as much evidence for Muhammad and allah as for your bullshit? Why don’t you believe the quran?

we’d all be less divided if we would all accept facts over feelings and became Christian.

Oh, okay. Sounds nice on paper, if you’re an idiot. But which denomination?

You seriously want to pretend “christian” means one thing? All it means is “I lie to get what I want.” The flavor of the lie is irrelevant. It is still dividing people, not uniting them.

A song for you, murderer: https://snoopsqueak.com/video/102

Fuck you for choosing death.

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Immigration between european societies isn’t such a big deal as they all generally follow or were at least raised in some flavour of Christianity.

Say, how’d that get there, anyway?

The year 782 was a turning point. Charlemagne held another assembly at Lippespringe near Paderborn, where he likely introduced the infamous Capitulatio de partibus Saxoniae – a harsh legal code demanding loyalty to the Frankish regime and Christianity under penalty of death.

https://www.medieval.eu/carolingian-wars-in-saxony-772-804/

Ain’t no hate like christian “love”.

some form of integration that needs to happen for the two religions to coexist with each other. Same can go for any other religion essentially.

You’re on the right track! Religion divides us, we are all better without it. Truth is not whatever you want it to be. Truth is truth, and we should all try not to distort it. Religion lets you pat yourself on the head for being wrong. It is a cancer that must go.

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What about the other Gospels?

They contradict each other.

The Bible/ witness accounts of the women

If the account is even true, they found an empty grave.

You want to pretend that them being women lends more credence because (quite sexistly) the opinions of women were not valued as much back then, but actually it just makes sense they would be first because women were responsible for tending graves.

He is not

You’re just making shit up as it suits you.

Fuck yourself.

“Trolling” to bear inhumane torture?

No, dumb fuck. He was a short-sighted idiot high on his own farts.

He could’ve copped out ANY moment if he was speaking falsehood. No one had an agreeing testimony and he couldve just said so

Right, he was as dangerously delusional as you are.

and to fulfill the Old Testament

You keep saying that like it means anything. He’s fulfilling slave rape?

It’s all bullshit, you stupid coward.

A song for you. https://snoopsqueak.com/video/102

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Source for the lying claim?

Magic isn’t real, dumbass dipshit.

Source for literally any miracle?

Source for literally any god?

Fucking none. Real people die for your false beliefs. FUCKFACE.

So someone that looked identical to Jesus

Maybe, or just close enough, or Paul imagined it, or Paul made it up.

with two men wearing pearly white sitting in his tomb and saying “he is not here, he is risen”

Zero evidence that this took place.

and why would Christ himself, if he was speaking falsehood

Fuckface: by proclaiming himself christ, he is speaking falsehood. But he might not realize that he is lying because he’s fucking delusional.

not say “I’m not God” before the pharisees and be pardoned?

He was either huffing his own farts or trolling.

Why was he actually willing to endure inhumane torture instead of copping out?

Because he’s an idiot who didn’t think it would go that far.

Why did he say, “my god, why have you forsaken me” if it was part of his plan and also he was god?

We do have 500 witnesses

No we don’t. We have Paul claiming there were 500 witnesses. Can you name 499 more?

It’s possible all these “totally unexpected breaches” are just AI companies testing the waters to see what they can get away with.

“Oopsie poopsies, we didn’t know our AI would scrape tax records when we told it to do that! Totally unexpected emergent behavior, we are not responsible…”

Their beliefs were not false.

According to you. That’s why I said “evidently”. There is no evidence for those claims.

James and Paul were basically skipping to get a CHANCE at disproving Christianity and they converted after investigating

They were lied to like everyone else.

His message was not even one of those things except dangerous (to the pharisees and rome). James and Paul converted after Jesus had been crucified, so how could they be convinced unless the risen Jesus came to them?

Seizures. Liars. Some guy could have shown up and said “it’s me, the risen Jesus. Here’s how you can serve me going forward.”

It is a dangerous message to all life because it is untrue. It’s a death cult.

500 people hallucinated the same thing at once?

No. We don’t have 500 eyewitness accounts. We have one guy (who made have had a medical problem) claiming there were 500 eyewitnesses. We don’t even have James’s account of seeing Jesus, do we?

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This is a fact

No, it is not. The fact is that they made a claim. What they claimed is evidently not factual.

He turned fishermen into scholars and philosophers and theologians. Their lives were radically transformed

They followed a cult leader and got themselves killed for false beliefs. You think that’s a good outcome?

I’m not sure you get this. This is like Donald Trump waking up one day, disbanding ICE, apologizing for his actions, turning himself in for those crimes and putting welfare above warfare.

I’m not sure you get this. It doesn’t matter how much people like a guy, that doesn’t make him correct.

If Jesus and his followers were lying, James and Paul would’ve been the PERFECT semi-biased-against-them investigators. But they investigated and converted.

They were fooled like the others. Jesus’s message was hypocritical, dangerous, and stupid, but he was evidently very persuasive.

If it was a hallucination, why would his tomb be empty and james and paul converted after investigation?

These are three separate things.

The tomb may not have been empty at all, we cannot verify historically. But if it was, I find it more likely that someone took the body than that a dead man came back to life after so much time.

Hallucinations may happen independently of whether the tomb was empty or not. Believers may have imagined Jesus, or dreamed about him, or hallucinated while on some kind of drug. It’s also possible look-alikes claimed to be him, or (unlikely) Jesus faked his own death and appeared to them himself. It’s also possible the claims are simply false, we have no way of verifying. I find all of these explanations more likely than a miraculous resurrection.

As for James and Paul, it only shows that they were convinced, not that the resurrection was true. And how do we know Jesus appeared to James? Because Paul said so? It’s also worth noting that Paul’s teachings deviate from and conflict with Jesus’s. Whatever he saw, it likely was not the same character we read about in the gospels.

Paul’s experience may be consistent with symptoms of temporal lobe epilepsy: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1032067/

You don’t know me, yet you make these accusations against me. Why?

In the few interactions we have had, you have actively defended a death cult. This behavior harms you, me, and everyone else. I consider it a sign of dangerous unintelligence when someone pretends that magic is real, a staggering lack of reading comprehension to fail to recognize the bible as fiction.

I read your song a while ago. If I may- what did John Stowe and Christine do? It appears you also say that your parents physically abused you as an infant.

Thanks. Yes, they hit my brothers and me when we were young. They stopped when we got older, presumably because they feared we’d start to hit back. My parents violently forced me to attend church three times a week, where we were yelled at by our southern baptist pastor that we would all burn forever in hell if we didn’t accept the “love” of Jesus. I have been suicidal all my life.

I wasn’t going to accept Jesus until my parents forced me to go to a summer camp. There I was told that if I went to hell, my parents in heaven would miss me. So I “accepted Jesus” and all the abusive bullshit that came with it. I believed in god for decades, but it made me a shitty person. God is your own ego given divine authority.

This is not okay.

I agree. But it’s the norm in the bible belt. People laugh at me for pointing out how bad it was, people insist I am weak for crying out instead of acknowledging that it was child abuse. They want to keep spreading their cult until it kills us all because they think they’re going to heaven. So I push back on magical thinking, but especially christianity, whenever I can.

You also said they worshipped a different god to the bible?

Everyone does. The god of the bible is inconsistent with the god of the bible, so each believer makes up their own version of him and pretends it’s the same.

Specifically, I believed in a loving god, but my parents embodied the cruel and violent tyrant of the old testament.

Not unprecedented, not “unsanctioned” behavior, literally doing what they set it up to do:

The AISI said the incident was not a case of a model breaking out of its “sandbox”, the term for a secure testing environment. The institute said it had intentionally permitted internet access and disabled filters within the models that blocked dangerous behaviour.

The basic aspects of the universe that God created can be observed and explored. He didn’t need to convey it in written scripture, which is the only way a redemption story could have been preserved.

Excuse me? Your excuse is “he didn’t have to do it”? So you believe he chose to do it, but fucked it up because he didn’t actually care that much?

Why do we need a redemption story instead of just… love?

Once again, it appears your argument fell apart but you’re trying to claim victory anyway

Which argument? When did I claim victory? Take care not to project, I don’t think like you do.

Seems to be a heart issue ragher than a head issue.

No, silly goose, the heart pumps blood. The brain does the thinking. My brain sees a godless world. My brain sees irreconcilable errors in the bible and its believers.

For the record, I was a believer for a long time. My parents wouldn’t have it any other way. They violently brainwashed me, their real child, in the name of their fake god.

See my first and only post for a song I wrote about it.

But irrespective of my own experience, it is factual that we have zero evidence for god’s existence.

Basically all human suffering is a product of human activity anyway and the rejection of God, God doesn’t inflict suffering on us.

So god is not all-powerful?

Because you can’t have it both ways. If he is all-powerful, knew what would happen, knew what we would do with our free will and chose to make us and this world anyway, literally everything is his choice.

Suffering is caused by the lack of goodness.

Nah, it’s caused by selfish dipshits like you. And disease. And natural disasters. Did god decide random suffering was necessary in addition to his utterly arbitrary curses?

Why does anyone suffer for choices they did not make?

But God does promise us the end of all suffering anyway. He will punish all wickedness and exalt the humble and meek. All one must do is accept Jesus Christ as their personal saviour, and let Him transform them. He will have eternal life.

It’s a death cult. Grow up. My friends are dead because you love this baseless, abusive bullshit more than real life.

It’s a stupid, backwards book encouraging people to join a literal death cult.

Scripture is for equipping yourself to live a God honouring life

The god who chose to make us suffer? Nah, fuck that guy. Glad he’s not real. Unfortunately, human bullshitters are killing us in his name anyway.

Interesting how god inspired exactly enough of the bible for you to cherry pick the parts you care about. Interesting that god failed to convey basic aspects of the universe he supposedly created. Weak god.

FACT 1: A Jewish Rabbi named Jesus of Nazareth was killed by crucifixion in the first century by Roman executioners.

Sure, I think something like this happened based on available evidence, though it is scant.

FACT 2: Jesus’ followers had real experiences after Jesus’ death that they believed were appearances of Jesus, risen from the dead.

This is not a fact. This is a claim made long after Jesus died. But maybe they believed magic happened, sure.

FACT 3: Jesus’ followers’ lives were transformed as a result of this belief—even to the point of being willing to die for their belief in His resurrection.

Some people flew planes into buildings, dying for their beliefs. Does that make them true?

What happened at Jonestown? Many more people died there, does that make it more true?

FACT 4: James and Paul – both enemies of Jesus’ message – came to believe in Jesus’ resurrection and became Christians as a result. Both claimed the reason was that Jesus spoke to them after His death.

Maybe they missed their pal and thought about him a lot.

FACT 5: Jesus was buried in a tomb in Jerusalem which was found empty shortly after His death.

Sure.

these are a series of facts most historians agree with

None of which suggest the existence of magic. Jesus was a cult leader, and his cult was repurposed to suit someone else’s agenda.

The body being stolen and the disciples lying cannot be true due to facts 4, 2 and 3

Yes, both can still be true. People steal bodies, even shortly after death, especially if he was a popular or famous person. People cling to false beliefs even if it kills them, sometimes.

hallucination theories are proven false due to fact 4 and 5

No, still perfectly possible.

Jesus “didnt really die” theories are disproven due to fact 1 and 4

I find this one unlikely anyway, but it is possible he had a double killed in his place. I suspect he really did die. I have no reason to believe he or anyone else was resurrected after 3 days.