You probably don’t want children. For people who do, this is an enormous sacrifice I wouldn’t ask of anyone. Just because of the comfort and luxury of developed nations, other people are somehow the problem. And not to mention it opens the door to fascists with specific ideas to cull the population
I think you don’t understand how social services work.
Making contraceptives more accessible does in fact reduce pregnancy . There is a ton of research on this.
Secondly, making adoption more socially acceptable and easier would encourage people to adopt.
Cultural ideas and misconceptions about children often make people discount this adoption both as an option for persons giving up baby and potential parents who could adopt.
Those are not solutions to overconsumption. There has to be some kind of limit. People have to learn they can’t exploit the planet and other people indefinitely.
It’s like adding more lanes to a congested highway. It provides temporary relief but none of the needed changes. Fewer people is not a solution for climate inaction at all. And it opens the door for fascists with other motives
Okay I don’t think you understand that big problems are complex and involve many aspects of human behavior.
Will a lower population magically fix everything? No.
But in combination with other changes it will.
It doesn’t matter how efficient we get at reusing materials , or creating less waste. Ultimately, more humans will cancel out those gains.
Both are needed.
Less humans and more sustainable actions.
The only reason to increase our population is to create more people for capitalism to use and discard.
More young men fed to wars. Their lives worthless and short.
The only people saying we need more bodies are the people wanting to use those bodies for their own gain.
Capitalism oligarchs. Exploitation. And fueling the war machine.
The earth is finite.
It’s about time we acknowledge this.
We can’t grow indefinitely.
The ecosystem cannot support nor absorb our waste production.
It’s illogical and naive to assume in the near future someone will just figure out how to make it so humans create zero pollution and waste… so no point in doing anything about it now.
Those are all great arguments for limiting consumption. I think not having children is of a different order, though. I think pressure to not have children is morally different from pressure to reduce consumption. Not having children will cause certain groups to disappear and that prospect will be exploited.
Like I said, it’s always “them” who will be asked to stop having children, never “us”. And the rich and/or powerful will keep having children anyway without any accountability. But mostly it’s fascism In worried about. Once we say fewer children is the solution, they will hear they don’t have to reduce consumption as long as those pesky minorities don’t create more rivals in their Mad Max world of all against all
Nothing I suggested targets specific nations or ethnicities.
Change is inevitable.
We can’t preserve everything forever.
We especially can’t use that as an excuse to not do anything about the problem of stripping this world of every natural resource and expanding populations until nothing is left.
Why is giving people access to contraceptives, safe abortions, and adoption so horrible?
I honestly don’t see why anyone thinks this would be harmful.
Let people choose. Let people have options.
Forcing pregnancies on people who don’t want them from a lack of contraceptive access, or safe abortions. or pushing the narrative that a child is only yours if it has your genetics is outdated.
These things are harmful. Not the suggestions I made.
Well I don’t have kids so I’m already part of the solution. I’m already committed to being child free
People already don’t want kids. Cause of capitalism and sexism.
But it doesn’t hurt for people to have better access to contraceptives.
Safe abortions.
And to make adoption easier and more socially promoted.
You probably don’t want children. For people who do, this is an enormous sacrifice I wouldn’t ask of anyone. Just because of the comfort and luxury of developed nations, other people are somehow the problem. And not to mention it opens the door to fascists with specific ideas to cull the population
When did I say we should restrict people from having kids. ?
I offered other solutions to the problem.
All of those solutions would be voluntary.
They are not solutions, that’s where you’re dead wrong
I think you don’t understand how social services work.
Making contraceptives more accessible does in fact reduce pregnancy . There is a ton of research on this.
Secondly, making adoption more socially acceptable and easier would encourage people to adopt.
Cultural ideas and misconceptions about children often make people discount this adoption both as an option for persons giving up baby and potential parents who could adopt.
Those are not solutions to overconsumption. There has to be some kind of limit. People have to learn they can’t exploit the planet and other people indefinitely.
It’s like adding more lanes to a congested highway. It provides temporary relief but none of the needed changes. Fewer people is not a solution for climate inaction at all. And it opens the door for fascists with other motives
Okay I don’t think you understand that big problems are complex and involve many aspects of human behavior.
Will a lower population magically fix everything? No.
But in combination with other changes it will.
It doesn’t matter how efficient we get at reusing materials , or creating less waste. Ultimately, more humans will cancel out those gains.
Both are needed.
Less humans and more sustainable actions.
The only reason to increase our population is to create more people for capitalism to use and discard.
More young men fed to wars. Their lives worthless and short.
The only people saying we need more bodies are the people wanting to use those bodies for their own gain.
Capitalism oligarchs. Exploitation. And fueling the war machine.
The earth is finite.
It’s about time we acknowledge this.
We can’t grow indefinitely.
The ecosystem cannot support nor absorb our waste production.
It’s illogical and naive to assume in the near future someone will just figure out how to make it so humans create zero pollution and waste… so no point in doing anything about it now.
Those are all great arguments for limiting consumption. I think not having children is of a different order, though. I think pressure to not have children is morally different from pressure to reduce consumption. Not having children will cause certain groups to disappear and that prospect will be exploited.
Like I said, it’s always “them” who will be asked to stop having children, never “us”. And the rich and/or powerful will keep having children anyway without any accountability. But mostly it’s fascism In worried about. Once we say fewer children is the solution, they will hear they don’t have to reduce consumption as long as those pesky minorities don’t create more rivals in their Mad Max world of all against all
Nothing I suggested targets specific nations or ethnicities.
Change is inevitable.
We can’t preserve everything forever.
We especially can’t use that as an excuse to not do anything about the problem of stripping this world of every natural resource and expanding populations until nothing is left.
Why is giving people access to contraceptives, safe abortions, and adoption so horrible?
I honestly don’t see why anyone thinks this would be harmful.
Let people choose. Let people have options.
Forcing pregnancies on people who don’t want them from a lack of contraceptive access, or safe abortions. or pushing the narrative that a child is only yours if it has your genetics is outdated.
These things are harmful. Not the suggestions I made.