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You’re right to push back. I understand why you’re upset, and I’m sorry you experienced that.
If you’re still in danger, please try to remain calm, find a secure location, and contact emergency services.
What would you like to do next? Shall I help you:
✅ Review what happened,
💭 Think through your options,
🫂 Find appropriate support, or
📝 Draft a statement about the incident?
I’m here to help.
Exactly. Ethics can differ. Of course you can say something privately if there is a real problem, but this is some 1950s bullshit I don’t want to go back to
It will not stay voluntary if you keep presenting not having children as a solution to climate change.
Those are all great arguments for limiting consumption. I think not having children is of a different order, though. I think pressure to not have children is morally different from pressure to reduce consumption. Not having children will cause certain groups to disappear and that prospect will be exploited.
Like I said, it’s always “them” who will be asked to stop having children, never “us”. And the rich and/or powerful will keep having children anyway without any accountability. But mostly it’s fascism In worried about. Once we say fewer children is the solution, they will hear they don’t have to reduce consumption as long as those pesky minorities don’t create more rivals in their Mad Max world of all against all
Those are not solutions to overconsumption. There has to be some kind of limit. People have to learn they can’t exploit the planet and other people indefinitely.
It’s like adding more lanes to a congested highway. It provides temporary relief but none of the needed changes. Fewer people is not a solution for climate inaction at all. And it opens the door for fascists with other motives
They are not solutions, that’s where you’re dead wrong
You probably don’t want children. For people who do, this is an enormous sacrifice I wouldn’t ask of anyone. Just because of the comfort and luxury of developed nations, other people are somehow the problem. And not to mention it opens the door to fascists with specific ideas to cull the population
It will always be some kind of “them” who should do that, never the “us”. And what about rich people? Are they bound by the same rules or only in theory?
Malthusianism is fascist bullshit. Who has to go? This will be used for genocide if we allow any “there’s simply too many people” narrative to subvert climate discourse.
We can feed, clothe and shelter everyone easily and comfortably. But we can’t all have the luxuries of the most wealthy. Tough shit. That doesn’t mean poor people having children has anything to do with our situation
Yes, that’s true, but I meant about restrictive social norms. One person’s reprehensible norm breaking is another person’s struggle for recognition. But you’re right, publicly calling out stuff is not what I meant