• FerrisEuler@programming.dev
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    11 hours ago

    If they’re tracking web use by PCs they know are not servers, then it’s likely due to a combination of local AI computer web scraping and people using SteamOS devices, which are running Linux. Prosumer local AI users often learn Linux if they don’t already know how to use it, because the software runs more efficiently on it. Anyone with a Steamdeck or Linux distro like Bazzite copying it on the desktop can exit to desktop mode and use it like a normal PC.

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    It’s ironic. Windows went on AI, not just visibly with Cortana, but under the hood too. For example, they spent a ton developing ONNX, even before “AI” was everywhere, and still push it as a format.

    Same with the vendors. AMD NPUs (for instance) were only supported on Windows forever; I think they still are. Same with Intel’s.

    …And yet Windows is basically useless for local AI, compared to linux.

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    Anecdotal but I switched once Steam worked on linux. That was really the one thing holding me back before.

    But I also didn’t switch right away. I assume more and more people are realizing going to Linux won’t hinder their gaming.

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    10.61% in June 2026, up from 3.56% in May

    Tripling in ONE MONTH.

    Yeah, I’m sorry everyone. As much as all of us love Linux and (rightfully) hate Microslop, that’s a jump that simply cannot be explained just by human users.

    Data from Cloudflare Radar appears to support that explanation. Cloudflare reportedly recorded a similar rise in Linux traffic, but the spike largely disappeared when its data was filtered to include only traffic identified as human. The comparison is not a direct match for StatCounter’s methodology, but it provides a strong indication that bots and automated systems are responsible for much of the sudden increase.

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    It’s AI. The source doesn’t track users but website traffic. It’s Linux-based servers trafficking AI usage.

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    18 hours ago

    “bUt nO oNe’S sUrE wHy”

    Meanwhile at Microsoft:

    “Stop using Windows 10. We lied and made Windows 11. It’s all AI bullshit that we will Cortana in 2 years. Please scan your face and taint to login.”

    Microsoft FEELS and ACTS like they have a monopoly.

    They do not have a monopoly.

    People can use Linux. So they are using Linux. Now up to 10% from 5% at the end of last year.

    If Microslop doesn’t start making business decisions based in actual reality, then Linux user share is going to hit 20-30% of NA by early next year at the current growth rate.

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      I think MS doesn’t care about home users anymore. Azure, Office, Enterprise setups etc. are more profitable. Server core licensing alone is ridiculous; you can license whole departments of personal machines with the price of a datacenter license.

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    I don’t buy the bot narrative, but I also won’t say this is a genuine jump in Linux users. Rather, as someone who has done statical research before, a sudden jump like this feels like a change in how that data was gathered plus a rather high point on natural variance.

    For starters, why would bot behavior change in a month? Any serious bot network would already be on Linux, so unless bot filtering got significantly worse in a single month, I’m skeptical on that front. I suppose it’s possible a patch to scrapping plugins happened, or a change in bot sensitivity on the researcher side, or something, but you’d assume someone would point that out.

    However, Linux adoption explanations are also iffy. The “Year of the Linux” people point to summer being a factor, or maybe Steam machine release. Maybe someone went viral promoting it and somehow… doubled installs? Seems unlikely, although a small jump can be attribed to these factors I suppose.

    But back to the statistics – all samples naturally vary over time and this can be a major factor month to month as statical noise exists. If it drops back to, say, 7 or 8%, that’s probably that factor, although this is much less an issue if the sample is large (which I think it is?). It’s also possible there’s a change in measurement error, such as Unknowns getting parsed correctly this month, though I’m not sure if that can explain most of the chunk coming out from Windows. I think these are the explanations I’m leaning towards, though (e.g. the Linux was there all along!)

    All I can say from my experience is a jump like this is unnatural and usually points to variance and/or measurement error. Rather than the actual population having a change, the researcher does something different that changes results. It doesn’t necessarily mean the new results are biased (they might be less biased!), but it also doesn’t mean reality has suddenly changed. After all, we’re talking about a doubling of the population; if 300 million use the Internet in the US, that’s 15 million people changing to Linux in a month.

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      This reminds me of a similar situation about a year where Win7 market share suddenly rose from 2% to 9%. If you dug into the data it showed that it was mostly isolated to Singapore and the data also showed a similar increase in incredibly uncommon display resolutions and such. You could also do some math and would come to the conclusion that the numbers only made sense if the total number of devices in Singapore increased tenfold, with everyone running Win7 for some reason.

      Long story short, you could explain this in detail to some people and some still wouldn’t accept that this wasn’t the return of Win7.

      PS: Here’s a telling chart with data that wasn’t fixed from that time:

      https://gs.statcounter.com/screen-resolution-stats/desktop/singapore/#monthly-202409-202509

      PPS: And the same thing can be observed for this current fluke:

      https://gs.statcounter.com/screen-resolution-stats/desktop/north-america

      Apparently it’s the year of the 720p Linux desktop.

  • Unattributed 𓂃✍︎@feddit.online
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    StatCounter itself has flagged the possibility that some of the new Linux activity could be bot-related, including traffic generated by AI agents and other automated workloads, which would make the jump appear much larger than a shift driven entirely by human users.

    Oh, it’s because of AI alright. Because Windows users are tired of it being shoved down their f***ing throats.

    (I’m just being sarcastic for the fun of it…)

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      Definitely a mix of both. I estimate bot pollution is likely growing much faster than natural Linux desktop adoption, though. Simply because LLM based bots are appearing everywhere. I wouldn‘t be surprised if Linux Desktop breaks the 25% mark soon just because of bots.

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        I do buy the argument that the majority of the shift is due to AI bots / agents. Just looking at the robots.txt I had to implement just to try to keep the majority of bots off my websites is insane (literally 160+ lines of user agents).

        But there are some other factors, such as the seemingly steady migration of users from Windows to Linux. I don’t buy the Valve hardware argument as much since the majority of those will be used for gaming on Steam, and not likely to be seen by StatCounter or Cloudflare.

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    the AI explanation and reasoning is weak. what does “largely disappears” mean without numbers? Cloudflare doesn’t do vibes; give me numbers. in any case “desktop” surely means that the user-agent reflects a desktop browser and not a CLI tool, right? otherwise this number would be closer to 90% than 10%. unless the agents are intentionally spoofing browser user-agents i don’t buy it.

    no mention of Steam’s and Framework’s hardware offering that come with Linux? no mention of the clear mass migrations?

    here’s an AI explanation: LLMs are helping people who otherwise would struggle move to Linux

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      Crawlers—even the honest ones—have been spoofing browser User-Agent strings (partially or completely) since the beginning of the commercial Internet. Why would they do this? To dodge bad browser-sniffing scripts, which I still run into from time to time.

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        sure, but is that implying that 5% of this traffic is bad faith or rogue agents? the tools built into Claude Code and Codex surely have their own user-agent settings.

        and why would they spoof Linux instead of Windows?

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          sure, but is that implying that 5% of this traffic is bad faith or rogue agents?

          Given the volume of requests that have been semi-DDOS’ing a lot of servers? 5% is probably an underestimate.

          the tools built into Claude Code and Codex surely have their own user-agent settings.

          “Surely” is like “assume”—it says more about the speaker than the entity being discussed. They almost certainly don’t use completely distinct strings (no one does—they all start with “Mozilla/5.0”); at most they might have tacked an additional bit on at the tail. And that’s if they’re being aboveboard.

          and why would they spoof Linux instead of Windows?

          Why not? But actually, this may be due to an incorrect assumption on the part of the stats collectors. Typical strings for bots that admit to being bots don’t specify an OS: “Mozilla/5.0 AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko); compatible; ChatGPT-User/1.0; +https://openai.com/bot” as opposed to, say “Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/134.0.0.0 Safari/537.36 Edg/134.0.0.0” or “Mozilla/5.0 (Android 15; Mobile; SM-G556B/DS; rv:130.0) Gecko/130.0 Firefox/130.0”. If they’re dumping anything without OS markers into the “Linux” bucket, that might do it.